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Decisions Decisions, Do we want to focus on MMM or SoD raids for the near future.
MMM all the way to Crystallos
87%
[ 27 ]
SoD or bust
12%
[ 4 ]
Total Votes : 31
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elric Trojan Man (and officer)
Joined: Sep 18, 2007 Posts: 2631 Location: Augusta, WI
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:32 am Post subject:
According to forums (this is all subject to change0 group gear is 1k hp/m/e, with good AC.
That siad, mobs are insane (supposedly) with trash hitting for 7k. Some call it GoD 2.0.
Until UF is live, I'm thinking AH needs to raid what we can to gear up. Once it goes live, I think folks trying to group with a gimp tank, 2 dps, and 3 mercs will get their ass haded to them. That is what all forums say, and the devs say it's what they want.
If you doubt me, check station's UF thread. Dev stated outright that UF will be hard.
According to forums (this is all subject to change0 group gear is 1k hp/m/e, with good AC.
That siad, mobs are insane (supposedly) with trash hitting for 7k. Some call it GoD 2.0.
Until UF is live, I'm thinking AH needs to raid what we can to gear up. Once it goes live, I think folks trying to group with a gimp tank, 2 dps, and 3 mercs will get their ass haded to them. That is what all forums say, and the devs say it's what they want.
If you doubt me, check station's UF thread. Dev stated outright that UF will be hard.
I can confirm this due i am in beta. I got a FULL suit of UF top -raid- gear and my stats went to like 65kHP / 7500 AC ... and 2 trash mobs in a lower tier smacked me in no time (merc was up and in reactive). _________________
So is the rumor that UF group gear is going to be better than or equal to Korafax raid gear the reason why the Calendar target are primarily SoD raids?
Are we no longer going to be looking at any more MMM targets or progressing to Crystallos?
Group gear in UF is divided on tiers, the highest tier is locked behind progression (visibles and non-visibles). However, the lowest tier is better than MMM including the AC.
yeah kinda seems mmm gear is not really gonna be an upgrade once u have UF gear. that part is gonna be hard to tho unless you are already pretty well geared as mentioned above 7k trash, pullers a must from what i hear or cc and both sometimes. im guessing that we really wont get too much group gear from underfoot for a bit cause it will be so hard but then again we might get lucky. but either way we need to gear up 1 way or another to even survive in uf so i wouldnt say mmm is completely done but it seems close _________________ You kick Venomous Projection for 58652 points of damage.
Joined: Apr 01, 2005 Posts: 1202 Location: West Virginia
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:48 am Post subject:
Sendalor wrote:
yeah kinda seems mmm gear is not really gonna be an upgrade once u have UF gear. that part is gonna be hard to tho unless you are already pretty well geared as mentioned above 7k trash, pullers a must from what i hear or cc and both sometimes. im guessing that we really wont get too much group gear from underfoot for a bit cause it will be so hard but then again we might get lucky. but either way we need to gear up 1 way or another to even survive in uf so i wouldnt say mmm is completely done but it seems close
As long as we treat the new content as a raid we will. Underfoot is going to be GoD 2.0 and you are going to need a pretty near perfect group set up to function "well" in the content. That being said if we treat it like we did when SoD came out and smash group content as a raid we should be ok and might even get a few loots.
I would love to finish MMM but we need full raids of 54 toons every night in order to do it. We also need a few Beefy tanks that can take the punishment that these mobs are laying down. I am afraid that until we have that no matter how bad we want to focus on MMM we wont be able to consistantly beat any of those events. _________________ 85 Ranger|85 Shaman
Plus 85 Cleric
Last year, when SoD first came out, AH would do 1 night of "raiding" one of the SoD zones. We set up camp somewhere (like Tosk center, or CoD 4-way) and wiped out the whole area, farming named mobs and new gear and new spells.
Depending on how things go with UF, that might be an option. We help farm group gear that is MMM raid gear quality, then use that upgrade to help with our SoD raids.
Joined: Apr 01, 2005 Posts: 1202 Location: West Virginia
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:16 am Post subject:
Zacatac wrote:
Last year, when SoD first came out, AH would do 1 night of "raiding" one of the SoD zones. We set up camp somewhere (like Tosk center, or CoD 4-way) and wiped out the whole area, farming named mobs and new gear and new spells.
Depending on how things go with UF, that might be an option. We help farm group gear that is MMM raid gear quality, then use that upgrade to help with our SoD raids.
Joined: Mar 20, 2009 Posts: 170 Location: Philadelphia area
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:12 pm Post subject: my vote
My vote goes for MMM to Crystallos, but I could be persuaded that SoD raiding would make more sense.
In one of the arguments I read, there is a belief that the tanks especially need MMM raid gear to do well in SoD raids.
If that truly is the case, then we should focus our efforts on upgrading these tanks in a systematic way so we all can move on to the bigger & better raid targets.
In short, I think we should do whatever will make us stronger as a group, and since our tanks need better stuff to do SoD, then we should get them that stuff from MMM.
Joined: Apr 01, 2005 Posts: 1202 Location: West Virginia
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: my vote
Savaraine wrote:
My vote goes for MMM to Crystallos, but I could be persuaded that SoD raiding would make more sense.
In one of the arguments I read, there is a belief that the tanks especially need MMM raid gear to do well in SoD raids.
If that truly is the case, then we should focus our efforts on upgrading these tanks in a systematic way so we all can move on to the bigger & better raid targets.
In short, I think we should do whatever will make us stronger as a group, and since our tanks need better stuff to do SoD, then we should get them that stuff from MMM.
However it works out, I am up for anything!
That is what we are tying for. Just need the tanks to gear up so we can start wining the events in MMM. _________________ 85 Ranger|85 Shaman
Plus 85 Cleric
Joined: Apr 01, 2005 Posts: 1202 Location: West Virginia
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:53 am Post subject:
Hasseo75 wrote:
Elrico wrote:
With all that being said, I am quite certain that we will not be doing any MMM at all. As much has already been stated in this thread...
Hasseo wrote:
So yeah, likely no more MMM.
Yeah .... at least not with me leading hehe
I would lead MMM no problem, only one I dont like is brinda, but I would need all 4 of those tanks to show for it. Also, I think Vor's comp is down or something. We have had the healing latley which is nice but it always seems like we are always missing either warrior, dps or healing, hehe. If we get a good showing we can do MMM.
I suggest that all of you pick up a Stalking Probe or 5 and keep them on you so you can open the doors without having to rely on others. I carry 2 fresh ones on me just in case now days, lol.
I am all for doing them as an open raid on Weds if we have a good core group show. Of course depending on how well it went the guests would either never show again or be all about it, lol.
I really dont want to give up on MMM and Cryst just becasue I think it would be nice to try those events if for nothing else the augs. Anywho, you might find us doing some MMM on Wednesdays. _________________ 85 Ranger|85 Shaman
Plus 85 Cleric
I really dont want to give up on MMM and Cryst just becasue I think it would be nice to try those events if for nothing else the augs. Anywho, you might find us doing some MMM on Wednesdays.
I'd love to go through it all as well, but it's just not looking good. Also, you can't really do MMM on the "open raid" night due to flag requirements.
Joined: Apr 01, 2005 Posts: 1202 Location: West Virginia
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:01 am Post subject:
Zacatac wrote:
Acoma wrote:
I really dont want to give up on MMM and Cryst just becasue I think it would be nice to try those events if for nothing else the augs. Anywho, you might find us doing some MMM on Wednesdays.
I'd love to go through it all as well, but it's just not looking good. Also, you can't really do MMM on the "open raid" night due to flag requirements.
Well, seeing as most of AH is now flagged I would just piggy in what I could and pick the classes I needed from the list. I think I could make it work, or I may be dreaming again, hehe.
I just hate to say never after everything that went into getting this far. _________________ 85 Ranger|85 Shaman
Plus 85 Cleric
don't forget the learning curve affect. taking a group of noobs in there and asking them not to click on doors... good luck !
I would still love to do it and see the events, just like I would love to go back to DSK, Solteris, Deathknell... but I just don't see it happening. Maybe on Sunday night raids, but not likely on normal AH raid nights.
Joined: Apr 01, 2005 Posts: 1202 Location: West Virginia
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:36 am Post subject:
Elrico wrote:
I cringe at the thought of Open raids in MMM...
don't forget the learning curve affect. taking a group of noobs in there and asking them not to click on doors... good luck !
I would still love to do it and see the events, just like I would love to go back to DSK, Solteris, Deathknell... but I just don't see it happening. Maybe on Sunday night raids, but not likely on normal AH raid nights.
All newb in group with seasoned mage, they all get CoTHed to the rinal spot. Problem solved, well one at least. _________________ 85 Ranger|85 Shaman
Plus 85 Cleric
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