No warning email when you are about to lose all your tiers?

Cantinal · After Hours Member Joined: Aug 06, 2005 Posts: 45

I do agree with no reset the way the system is now... I am an old timer but I dont have super old timer DKP like some do.

The tier system really limits you to ONE loot anyhow like Tetra said, not like you can keep the tiers and then get lmore then one thing from it.

JPD has a similar system and some old timers are coming back and getting one thing but then you reset to zero and have to go again

Aleax · Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:13 pm Post subject:

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Aergon · Squad Leader Joined: Dec 30, 2007 Posts: 505

Thanks Aleax

elric · Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:34 am Post subject:

Thank you aleax.

Now that I've calmed down, and thinking clearly, one loot is really no big deal. I'm gonna support the no reset.

It will reward those who helped, and not penalize those who take a break for whatever reason.

Well thought out post, Tetra.

Elric, the Pally with the Pink Hat that's sometimes too tight Laughing

Oakblade · After Hours Member Joined: Jun 03, 2009 Posts: 21

Just curious why an automatic PM or even a manual alert of your 40 raids is needed to be sent to you. Just because you have personal things filling your time, or other raids to go to, doesnt mean you can't take the responsibilty yourself and log into the AH site once every 2 weeks and see if you have missed close to 40 raids.

Why make others do the work for you if its your tiers you are concerned for. Making officers check the raids missed of each player, checking how many should get tells or emails this day or that day seems like alot more work than 1 player logging in and seeing that he has missed 35 and better log in to raid or send a PM to an officer explaining he will be gone a few more days.

I agree an automatic PM would be nice, but if you can log in to read that, why cant you log in to check your raids missed anyways?

elric · Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:01 am Post subject:

Valid Point, Oak.

I take Franklaw's example as how we should do it. After years of the same job, with limited vacation, he got laid off. With money saved, he took an extended road trip to see old friends. Whether or not he had a laptop, and internet access where he could log on and play, his foray into RL helped him a lot. AH isn't just about raiding, we're concerned about our members.

I didn't even realize, when I entered raids, that I'd reset Frank's tier. This is someone I consider a friend. This is someone in my fellowship. Hell, this is someone that helped me to learn how to tank when I first started the game.

I cannot and will not adjust his tiers to replace what he lost. That said, Frank raided with AH almost every Sat night that I've been in AH (Work meant no other raids). For him to lose those tiers hit me harder than it did him. It's one reason I'm so stressed ATM.

Franklaw introduced me into AH. The debt I owe him is something I can never repay, though I will try.

Oak, I understand your point. That said, after what happenned to Frank, I've changed my mind. One loot lost to a returning member will be minimal, and I'd think peer pressure would stop them from claiming uber item #1 if they're not gonna stick around.

Cantinal · After Hours Member Joined: Aug 06, 2005 Posts: 45

My thought on this is still the same. Raiding to get your tiers up and then having other things to do and then you come back and get ONE and only one loot. Even if it is the first time that item has droped if you only raid once every month or few weeks that means it will take you a year to get your tiers back.

Now, I also agree that the fact that people cant spend 10 min in a day to look at this site once a week or every 2 weeks is just wrong but I think it is more then wrong to essentially steal someones work because you are afraid they will take one piece of hypothetical loot some random time in the future.

Aleax · Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:12 am Post subject:

I dont think this has anything to do with being afraid someone will take one piece of loot. It is more to do with supporting AH's longterm goals. We want to focus on people that are actually supporting AH rather than the driveby raiders that nobody can tell when they will show up. For those type, they need to be happy they have a raiding organization that will allow them that freedom and take what they can get when they can get it. It is not AH's position or job to make one particular raider happy over the masses that actually do show up enough to keep tiers building so they can be spent.
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Tetrafluor · Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:35 pm Post subject:

So I figure its time to get something off my chest about this and better explain my point of view...

For me, my work and home situation changed, I started trying to reach a better balance between RL and eq.

I tried continuing to raid infrequently after we changed the DKP system, just to maintain tier (since we all had our original tier after the change until we looted once). But after trying to keep that up for about a month and a half, I waited too long once, either because I lost track of how long I was gone, or the raids were less predictable than I thought, I can't remember, but it got reset.

It sucked and I was irritated, I didn't even get my one initial loot that reset my originally huge tier, but I figured i'd just work my way back up slowly as I rarely looted anyway before the dkp change and I'd just try to be more diligent about watching and forcing myself to raid regardless of whether I had time frequently enough. Though after about the 3rd time of having my tier reset because of missing the window, I just gave up and said screw it (in a less PC way however).

That was of course before we changed it to 40 instead of 20 raids missed, though I honestly don't see a big difference. Depending on my schedule, whether we actual won a raid when I was on, and how many raids AH does when I'm not on, I can't predict what is going to happen to my tiers unless I schedule specific times frequent enough to keep it from being reset, which due to RL I'm just not going to do. Actually I think that is the reason why some of the later resets occurred, because I attended a failed raid with the time I did have so didn't get credit, and couldn't get back on again soon enough.

Now, in part because of this, I really only care for the group game. Raiding gets me nothing, nor even any promise of anything, so I don't bother. I've even tried to raid at times just to say hey with AH, but in all honestly I get bored and get back to thinking "what's the point?". In fact because of that I've changed my entire game tactics, I play my alt more than my main tetra because i feel like I'm advancing more, and the AA's I choose are group first, and then raid aa's second (if at all). And best of all this always fits my schedule.

I believe this even soured my desire to continue on improving the website. I used to enjoy working on the site and adding new features, and still do enjoy web building, though now I honestly don't care to do much other than make sure the site is still running and see how things are going on the forums. Mostly I think I'm still even doing this because I'm hosting the site, and I still feel a connection to the organization I put so much into.

As I've mentioned before, the main reason I joined AH way back when over a raiding guild was because of our policy of once a member always a member, and because of the lack of any mandatory attendance. I.e. by default it always fit my schedule and there was no forced pressure to override RL. Now that's changed.

With the way things are now, I do feel forced and pressured, because even though we don't have official mandatory attendance, we do have mandatory attendance to keep from losing the hard work you've put in in the past. If I don't keep "punching the clock" everything goes poof and I'm back at zero. What I don't need is another "job".

So basically for me, and in light of the way things have become with the organization, I have absolutely no motivation to participate, because even if I can make raid time fit my schedule, I gain no value. Participating is just more work I'm obligated to do to avoid a loss. I'm better off just grouping during raid time, and honestly, I'm kinda pissed off about things ending up that way. I used to raid because there was a carrot, when that turned into a stick, I stopped. Negative reinforcement sucks ass.

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Aleax · Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject:

Actually just one mob saves your tiers. Don't even have to be there the whole night.
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elric · Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:06 am Post subject:

Not sure what happenned, Tetra. Even a wipe should have reset your missed raids. Only thing I can think of is you were LD or something when the Raid Dump was taken. If I was leading when that happenned, I humbly apologize.

I totally agree with RL over EQ. That is the only way to do things.

Tetra, all I can say now is I'm sorry we let you down.

Tetrafluor · Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:41 pm Post subject:

Zacatac · Officer Joined: Nov 14, 2008 Posts: 1265