[Striatus]

Am sorry to say but one the main reasons i joined Afterhours was the Time. In my time zone i am unable to raid at earlier hours even now on most raiding nite and taking off work early to make raid to help support all my Friends. With this new time I wont be able to make the start of the RAids am very Dissapointed indeed

[Culdahl]

[Olidan]

We did discuss an alternative solution, whereby we would all move to Hawaii......... but figured this would be easier

Anyway - no worries, Time is easy to catch up to a raid in progress.
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[Darby]

WAIT !!!

I wanna move to Hawaii !!!

[Krisstoff]

Like Culd said, don't worry Stria The earlier start is only for the nights we raid Time, not for all raids. And like Culd also pointed out, the first hour of Time is nothing more than doing p1 and/or p2, both of which don't have upgrades for many. So no worries, you'll be able to log on before we hit the gods up
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[Shieara]

Yeah. As others have said this is just to get P1/2 out of the way before we move on. This will also be an experiment...if it doesn't work out we won't try it again. I have had a *lot* of requests for it though. People were having a lot of problems staying awake for the finish.

Anyways, we will see how it goes the first time and decide from then if we want to continue or not.

[Xyyth]

[Wendaen]

I think the earlier start is a bad idea. People will be missing out on first part of raid which means they will be missing out on dkp. Which isn't fair to those that can't make it online for the early start.
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80 Druid of Solusek ro
Afterhours and Darkhour member

[Kalakob]

p1 is worth .1 and p2 isnt worth that much more the loot isnt that great and we cant even seem to get a raid in til about 10:30 anyway /shrug not sure how often ill be able to get on that early but whenever i can id support it. i think its a good idea

[Vudukitty]

Even though i am a East coaster, the standard raid time is the best i can look for, changing an hour early will not allow me to make the beginning of any major raids. I will do what i can but not assuming i will be there for start if things move an hour earlier.

Vudu

[Nahallac]

I am in the same boat as Striat / Vudu. I get off work about 30 mins before normal AH raid time, and changing it 1 hour earlier would not allow me to make the start of almost any raid.

Now, it's not a big deal for day 1 of time, and I understand the need to do so. I don't mind missing phase 1, 2, or even 3 really.

But day 1 was the only long day we had. Day 2 was actually very quick. And if we start day 2 early, like the raid schedule currently says, people like me will miss out on almost the whole raid for day 2. That would be quite disappointing to me =(.

In summary. Starting day 1 early? Fine. Starting day 2 early? Bad.

[Sulsil]

Here an idea while not perfect might solve the issue. Start at the earlier time for P1 and P2 and award no DKP for those raids. Essentially the players involved would be volunteering their time to enable themselves the ability to finish P3 onward at what for them is a decent hour.

I also am generally in favor of not messing with the start time but would be willing to attend earlier for the greater good of all the folks involved. I am clear that the folks finishing P1-P2 could make a case that they are being penaltized, but the counter to that statement is that the folks who can't make the earlier time would be otherwise.

Bottom Line-- both groups are kinda unhappy, while at the same time allowing us to finish earlier. Often in sum zero situations like this that's as good as it gets.

Sulsil

[Shieara]

I don't think the "they might miss out on dkp" argument holds water.

There are a lot of people that can't make certain night's raids because of work, rl, or whatever. They are missing dkp. So we shouldn't hold raids those nights.

There are some people that can't make the normal time of 8 pst. They are missing dkp as well. So we shouldn't start at 8 pst. Lets start later.

There are some people who can't say past 10 pst. They are missing dkp. So lets not raid so long.

You see where I am going with this? There are a lot of times when people miss some, or the entire night of raiding due to real-life issues. You can't accomodate everybody; it just doesn't work. There's also not going to be any raiding where there is no reward. That kind of thing works okay for a guild, but it will not work for an organization like Afterhours. We're pretty much a mercenary organization above all.

Bottom line is this. We are going to try this the next time we do Time if we have enough people to make it possible. If, after evaluation, it ends up sucking we will no longer schedule it that way. If it seems like it gets us out of Time at a reasonable hour on Wednesdays it will remain. Lets give it a chance at least and see how it works before we all start complaining. You might be surprised.

[Lacomb]

/nod Shie

I'm afraid both in game and in real life there is very little that infuriates me more then the seemingly widespread policy of the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Someone wants to try something new or different for whatever the reason, try it before going off and complaining. Save your commentary to events that have actually transpired and reflect back upon them with a bit of hindsight.


PS: Actually Taste your food Before you reach for the salt shaker.

[Xyyth]

[Ghraa]

[Wendaen]

@shieara: so those that can't make it to the normal 8pm raiding time get to miss even more raiding?

@xyyth: if i remember correctly, afterhours is more than just a name.

@ghraa: I understand that it's only for the time raids but i like to be at EVERY ah raid. I'm one of those rare people that likes to raid no matter what we are killing.
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Wendaen Sul`delDraug
80 Druid of Solusek ro
Afterhours and Darkhour member

[Olidan]

[Culdahl]

Moral of the story - Give it a week or two and see if we can field enough people to clear P1. If so, you are missing out on nothing more then a very small amount of DKP for a single night and a couple of very gimp drops (that rot 9 times out of 10).

The fact of the matter is that our best raid force is online between 8:30-10:00 PST, yet we are just reaching the major targets (when we need people most) around 10:00 PST....moving the start time up an hour means we have our best force available when we need it most and people aren't missing out on the best drops

Few suggestions -

1) Have people show up at 7:30ish so we can actually start at 8PM...give a 0.2ish DKP bonus for people who are in time (or waiting outside) by 7:30.

2) Have fixed groups for each P1 mission....if we know who goes where before hand we don't have to waste time shuffling and explaining strats. IMO, groups 1-3 are always earth/air, so on and so forth.....

3) Charge NO DKP for P1/P2 drops and do not count them towards the 1 loot per night rule. I think loot is rotting not because it cannot be used, but because people don't want to waste their 1 loot item. Either we can open roll these items, or have people send the lootmaster a tell with what they are upgrading and give it to the most deserving person (my favorite).

[Krisstoff]